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I’ve just seen a deal on this site saying that the company is Black Owned surely the products being sold should rely on quality not that it’s Black Owned. What do you think?

Pjran
14 days ago
What do you think of this?
HollyDolly22
HollyDolly2214 days ago

what does black owned mean? am i just being dumb? lol

i should just google it really lol

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PhilipMarc
PhilipMarc13 days ago

It means it's owned by an African businessman or businesswoman.

Well, small business owners regardless of race will have a hard time keeping their stores open.

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HollyDolly22
HollyDolly2212 days ago

PhilipMarc oh that's awful why label a company like that! And labeling people like it. I thought all that was over with.

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sunny101
sunny10114 days ago

I know which one you are talking about and I did query it with the poster - I felt it was divisive but the poster saw nothing wrong with it and was confident that the LDTeam wouldn't object/change the title. Personally, I would also strongly object if I saw a deal that promoted 'White Owners' too but it seems it's passed the censors so what can you do?

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Lynibis
Lynibis14 days ago

It would definitely be deleted if it promoted white owned. I feel same about black beauty magazine and the separate mumsnet forum for black mums only. Very devisive when we are meant to be dealing with racism, not reversing it. Everything should be open to everyone no matter their colour.

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Lis
Lis13 days ago

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

Lynibis Black people often feel the need to separate ourselves because we don’t feel represented enough.

For instance, our skincare needs are not the same as people with predominantly lighter skin tones.

We know we won’t get the inclusivity we crave from secular sources so it’s best to start our own.

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Lynibis
Lynibis13 days ago

flipside Yes I can see that as I can imagine if there is a smaller demand for something which is not being supplied by the majority, it makes sense to manufacturer/produce your own. Then it is difficult to sell enough to make it a really profitable business.

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TheChimp
TheChimp14 days ago

I agree Pjran

And as sunny101 says, if a poster tried to promote a 'White Owned Business', admin would go into meltdown.

I don't see what the difference is with these posts and question whether they are appropriate.

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sunny101
sunny10114 days ago

TheChimp I'm guessing you didn't flag it then. My honest 'colour blind' comment resulted in being told that it meant I didn't see the struggles so I, sadly, gave up on encouraging harmony.

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TheChimp
TheChimp14 days ago

sunny101 The problem is that if someone flags those deals, they'll probably be had up as a racist 🙄

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Ann1984
Ann198414 days ago

TheChimp am going to leave what I won’t to say in my head 🤫🤫🤷‍♀️

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Pjran
Pjran
Original Poster
14 days ago

It’s the same with MOBO awards, we’re all equal so let’s not discriminate black, white, oriental etc.

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JaSh3
JaSh313 days ago

People aren't 'Oriential' things are

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Pjran
Pjran
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13 days ago

JaSh3 Literally, it means of the Orient or of the East, as opposed to of the Occident or of the West. Last I checked, geographic origin is not a slur.

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flipside
flipside12 days ago

Pjran East Asian people consider saying ‘oriental‘ a slur. So it’s best that you don’t say it at all.

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AnnaAddams
AnnaAddams14 days ago

Does the matter of the owner's skin colour make a difference when it comes to product quality? Like, I can sort of understand why it would say that, to encourage people to buy from a diverse background I guess?

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ACR
ACR14 days ago

First and foremost a company has to be selling something that customers want, irrespective of the owner's ethnicity. However, black-owned businesses are more likely to get less financial support from banks and investors. They are 'more likely to be rejected for an overdraft and charged higher interest rates than their white-owned counterparts'. Only around 0.67% of the 5.9 million businesses in the UK are owned by black people. Yet they make up 3.3% of the UK population, so are underrepresented as business owners. Consequently, I don't see an issue with black-owned businesses looking for some customer support.

- https://www.ft.com/content/4f7ab34c-5a70-4cae-b04d-1c90ed1a230e

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Johnny
Johnny14 days ago

If you don't subscribe to the FT and cannot access this Black-owned businesses struggle to find investors article because it's behind a pay wall, it's also freely available here:

https://www.techregister.co.uk/black-owned-businesses-struggle-to-find-investors/

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Pjran
Pjran
Original Poster
14 days ago

I believe most people look at the products for sale not who owns the business let alone their colour.

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flipside
flipside14 days ago

There’s nothing divisive about someone promoting black-owned businesses. A business being black-owned also speaks directly to the quality of their goods because they are targeted at black people. That’s why it’s important for the ‘black owned’ to be highlighted.

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BonzoBanana
BonzoBanana14 days ago

Can't see any connection with quality there is no obvious link between the quality of a product and the ethnicity of those running the company. and the only business that I've seen that stated black owned was a farmer and he was exporting sausages I think and not focused on selling to people of his own ethnicity but to all people who want his product.

Ultimately though we should encourage everyone with the skillset to start a company it maximises the potential of this country. Different cultural backgrounds can often bring something new to the marketplace and find a niche. This is a elitist country with a monarchy and often people of a privileged background end up in high positions in industry and commerce which is not a healthy state to be in when many better qualified people are denied those positions because of our establishment. We need people of all ethnicities, genders, age etc to know they can start and succeed in business.

If nothing else seeing 'Black Owned' should be a positive message to other black people they can also succeed in business.

We have seen huge success in business for the Jewish, Oriental and Indian communities I very much doubt there is anyone in those communities that think their ethnicity would hold them back but I'm not so sure with black.

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

BonzoBanana I‘m talking about the quality in terms of its value to the target market: black people. For instance you wouldn’t trust someone from a different country to prepare a traditional dish as much as you’d trust someone from your own country to prepare it. That’s what I mean.

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

flipside But you can't say 'White Owned', 'Asian Owned', Chinese Owned'? 🤔

Would you find offence if someone highlighted 'White Owned'?

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

TheChimp Of course not. Why would I? In general it is a harmless term but it turns dark when it’s used as a way to deliberately exclude other people. ‘Black owned’ doesn’t seek to do that. It seeks to emphasize a place on the market which is often overlooked.

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lornaae
lornaae14 days ago

I don't see any issue with it, and I understand that as ACR explains above, black-owned businesses are often not given the same support as white-owned businesses, so it can be important to highlight and support them

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Getsome
Getsome14 days ago

Its crazy that we are at stages that people have to say its a black business because of lack of support. I don't care what colour the shops owner is, I'm more interested in the price and quality.

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Pjran
Pjran
Original Poster
13 days ago

I totally agree. Surely it’s all down to the products, quality and price regardless of race.

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Getsome
Getsome13 days ago

Pjran The shop should always be about the products and never be about the person serving but I see why its happening as Black owners are not given the support compared to White owners and that's what needs to change. Colour of a human should not be a factor in anything.

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Getsome
Getsome13 days ago

A person's gender, colour or sexuality should never stop someone wanting to succeed

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

It’s really telling when we have to have clear indicators as to the kind of person who owns a certain business. This speaks to the general lack of support they receive.

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

flipside As you have said, the 'Black Owned' businesses are mainly aimed at the Black community, so if they fail, we're are you going to put the blame? 🤔

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Lis
Lis13 days ago

TheChimp why does their have to be blame. Do you and I get blamed for woolworths As we were customers of them.

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

TheChimp As Lis has already pointed out, why would anyone lay blame on any particular group? Businesses fail all the time.

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

flipside Lis You have said that the promotion of black businesses should be allowed on LD because they're primarily aimed at black people.

If black people don't support the businesses, they are going to fail.

The posts that have been put up have a very limited appeal to anyone besides black people, so where else do you expect to get the support from?

If you put yourself out in a very limited market, and that market fails to support you, who do you want to blame?

Is it because of your ethnicity or just that no one wanted to by your stuff?

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

TheChimp 😂 Black owned businesses are open to all who want to buy. It’s in the same vein as people who label their products as ‘cruelty-free’ or ‘vegan’ ‘ethical’. It’s to cater to a specific group, but all are welcome, as always.

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

flipside Don't you understand my point as you don't seem to be able to address it?

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flipside
flipside13 days ago

TheChimp I chose not to directly address your point because, frankly, it’s redundant. You’re not making the point you think you’re making and I’m not going to go back and forth over it because you’re clearly not getting the crux of the issue.

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

flipside This is the problem.

You are so one-sided that no one else is allowed a point of view.

We all understand the 'crux' of the issue, but won't understand is that if black businesses aren't supported by black people, they're going to go t*its up.

And why should a financial institution support a business where's there's no chance of it succeeding whether it is black or not?

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BonzoBanana
BonzoBanana13 days ago

flipside I don't think its quite the same, if I buy cruelty free or vegan I have a reason to buy that product but black owned does nothing in itself it wouldn't make me want that product more or less. If the business was an African restaurant I'd have a reason or original recipe Jamaican Rum or something that links the ethnicity to make the product seem better it would help.

The only positive I can see out of it is it helps inform black people of the existence of black owned businesses which could be positive and encouraging but you know some people may take minor offence like some of the people in this thread and could be a reason for the business to fail if it annoys too many people and the business needs customers from all ethnicities.

Generally I think its a bad thing to state who owns a business but admit I'd make an exception in this case because we do need to encourage more black businesses.

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Lynibis
Lynibis12 days ago

BonzoBanana as always a well measured and sensible assessment of this topic. Not many people can have a balanced view of such things.

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flipside
flipside12 days ago

BonzoBanana There are some things people look for in black-owned businesses that others don’t. So just because you feel you’re getting nothing extra from such products doesn’t mean its the general consensus. Its your opinion.

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flipside
flipside12 days ago

TheChimp And I’m saying that’s it’s not only black people who are allowed to support black-owned businesses. For some reason, you don’t seem to grasp that.

You’re making a show of saying that if the business doesn’t work out, it’s because black people didn’t support it. But that’s not the case.

If the business fails, it’ll be because people like you saw ‘black-owned’ and found it a direct affront instead of appreciating what that might mean in relation to what they’re selling. Because it is a marketing tactic.

I find it so odd that you should twist an otherwise simple discussion and make it about whose fault it would be should a business fail.

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TheChimp
TheChimp12 days ago

flipside OK, I'll put this as simply as I can for you.

The posts are for 'black owned' companies selling stuff that would only normally bought by black community.

Now if the black people don't want to buy their wares, it's not because of anyone else.

I could set up a meat based food company, but I doubt if I'd sell much to vegetarians.

And you have to realize that the black community is only 3.3% of the population and that you have to sell to them.

The customer base is very limited, so if the firms go bad, don't blame anyone except the people that they are aiming their products at.

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Lis
Lis13 days ago

We could argue that this is aimed at women

https://www.latestdeals.co.uk/deals/deal-stack-eyebrow-waterproof-microblading-tattoo-pen-10-coupon-amazon

Can we establish which arguement we are having. Yes products can be aimed at a specific market but that doesn’t mean others cannot buy them. Why are you so keen to blame people for their failure. If Avon collapses are we to blame women

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

Lis I'm not quite sure about you're arguing about.

If a business goes bad, it would be on the person(s) who run it whether it's a woman or not.

If Avon collapses and it's run by women, surely it's women to that's the cause?

Please explain what you mean 🤔

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Lis
Lis13 days ago

I was trying to point out that its not just the customers to blame for a business stopping. Im not understanding

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TheChimp
TheChimp13 days ago

Lis I find all this very confusing and will not be visiting this post again.

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Lis
Lis13 days ago

Ok sorry if I upset you, was just debating

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