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This might not sound very good and I apologise for mentioning it but I am amazed at the amount of copy and pastes for deals posted on LD. I do understand sharing is caring but technically this shows certain users are not concerned about the quality of content. Obviously, for some who are aware of this issue, this means they can always refer to the source of the deal instead of bothering to check LD on regular basis. This is not something Mods would be able to do anything about it. It is mainly a moral thing to be honest. It is also very hard to justify if a deal is been copied or not but it is easy to identify the certain users who do nothing more than copy and paste in an obvious way from another source (we are possibly aware of). I am finding this very discouraging to be honest...
Hi mixmixi
We always want to encourage people to put their own, unique descriptions with any deal they share.
Not only does it add value - to have the poster's opinion/input on the deal, but it also helps with Google too - the more unique (and less duplicate) content the better. And the better we do in Google the more people will uncover LD and, hopefully, the busier and more active the site will get. And that means more deals for everyone!
We've brainstormed a few times about ways to encourage people to write their own descriptions (rather than copy and paste) but haven't found a winning solution yet. If anyone has any ideas please do share
And I quite agree that it's one thing to copy a product description from a retailer's website (which I can definitely appreciate is a lot quicker than crafting your own) but I would quite strongly discourage people from copying unique content written by someone else on a different deal sharing website. If you spot this please do report it and I'll make an effort to go in and edit it
Hi Kelsey. I think I didn't express myself well. Putting the description is not what I was referring to. Copy and pasting deals from the other website is what I am referring to. I am active on both sites and I can see all the hot deals (at least from the Game section which I am active on) is being copied here. That is just not pleasing...
mixmixi Ah! Okay got the wrong end of the stick there!
It’s a bit of a tricky one. With HUKD, MSE, Reddit, Facebook Groups (and us! ) it can be very difficult to know where a deal originally came from. When I uncover (as in truly uncover directly from a retailer) a deal I feel a sense of pride and, I guess, ownership of that deal. And I think I’d feel pretty miffed if it were shared everywhere without any credit. That said - the nature of the internet means it’s pretty hard to stop!
I think I’ve expressed my (personal) view before that I don’t have any issue with deals being re-shared from other communities/groups. That said, if it has been shared by another individual elsewhere I’d encourage credit by name/username to give them a shout out.
Unfortunately as you said in your OP, it isn’t something we could very easily moderate and I think it is down to individuals as to whether or not they credit the original finder. But I’d support/encourage it!
I think it is pretty obvious that this is done across sites I have seen deals on here that haven't been on other sites but before long they have been copied on them word for word, perhaps people who do it really do not give a second thought and just want to get the deal up as quick as possible. Personally i don't have a problem with it and if anyone copied anything I had found then it really would not bother me as my main aim is that hopefully my deal will help as many people as possible that it appeals to and whether that is on the site I post it or on another that someone else has copied it too that's all good.We are all looking for a bargain so maybe it isn't a bad thing that things are copied across sites and as many people as possible have a chance of getting the deal.
I've brought this matter up before and so did Dread but last time, it accumulated to nothing. There's a certain user who I've noticed that posts a 'new' deal after it's posted elsewhere because that seems to be perfectly okay.
I don't do it because it's not a deal I found genuinely and on my own, but rather taken from a different website. Not my thing, but if I were to do that, I would credit the user (I did this before with a source link which was then removed, understandably).
I think as this is a new site, until it gets totally established with a new user base then you will see a lot of deals carried over. The same with other sites like Ashleigh, etc. I personally try to find my own deals, but if a hot deal appears on another site and it is worth posting (especially if you catch it very early) then by all means I will post it here, as a lot of people on here who found the site organically will only see the deal when posted on here. Not everyone knows about the other sites so they are still beneficial.
All we can do as members is try our best to find our own deals to counter balance the repeat deals and try to make this site unique.
I agree! What else is annoying is "one-liner" deals! With not much info or correct url (unless the site is not picking it up well as I was advised), we need to advise posters to add more to the deal rather than expect the user to go hit the blue button and find it or learn about the deal themselves. Yes product description or t&c's copied is fine but some more thought to the deal wording would be beneficial in the long run. Do they get the same no. Of points?
nemosays I think some people who post just quick one liners may be fairly computer illiterate and just like to use their device for social time. But after a few goes I am sure a few of them will get the hang of things and improve their listings the more they post.
Others may just be lazy or oblivious to the fact that although we are thankful for their post they may not realise that the post is not very informative and a bit of a pain with no real info included in the deal.
A good rule for most posts should include (depending on product):
Sizes available - nothing worse than clicking on a pair of cheap trainers to realise they are not mens but boys sizes so what I thought was a mega deal soon becomes sour once link is clicked. :(
Colour
Shipping Costs
If sale has an end date then include it so peeps know when to act if they really want one.
General description about the item in one or 2 lines should cover it.
Any discount codes available.
If female and single, your phone number and Facebook link.(Optional of course).
The site already does a good job of telling you to add the sale price and full price, and auto includes the supplier so that is not a problem.
A hot deal copied over is not a big deal. The issue is certain users only copy the hot deals from other site. Some of these are very active here meaning out of 10 deals they post a day, 10 of them are non-original.
mixmixi As long as users click through and purchase from time to time then the site makes money.
On a personal level what others post means nothing to me in terms of what they get from the site. I post deals to help the site generate an income and others get a bargain should they fancy treating themselves to whatever I post. I know some people like to be competitive (which I am in most things, heck my kids never won a game of Monopoly until they grew up and realised Dad's do not start with double money and earn double money in payments), and post as a hobby and like to earn badges and status levels. But everyone has their own reason for posting, if one keeps posting deals from other sites and they have not been posted on here, then although lazy, will still benefit the site as visitors here will not all know about the other sites, so to them, the deals are viewed as original and they see the site as being lively.
You say the issue is..... the thing is it doesn't seem to be an issue to the majority of users or if it is they are staying quiet about it. I use to post a lot on a different site and this sort of post by other users on there is the reason why I stopped. I just fail to see why people cannot just get on with what is happening on these sites without nitpicking and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I suppose we are all different but we are all here with one aim and that is trying to help each other to save a bit of money on things that are of interest to us.Maybe it's time I moved on from here as well because I feel that these sorts of posts are of no advantage to anyone and could actually deter new users from posting deals in case they feel they might do something that is going to lead to other long time users to complain about it. I fail to understand why people can't just move on and not let it bother them when they see something like this, whoever it is you are saying is posting deals from elsewhere all the time is still taking the time and putting in the effort to post them on here, ok they might not have found those deals themselves originally but they really did not have to take the time out of their day to do it and all they get is criticism for it, to me that doesn't seem right especially when you have no idea whether whoever they have copied from didn't also actually copy from someone somewhere before they posted it where they did.
jinxyjink Hey, best to stop where you are. I know BuzzDuraband. We are a couple of people on HUKD who know each others. I know his posts are original, and I can tell you when someone is copying them here. I assure you there is no effort needed in copying and pasting a popular deal from there to here IF you compare it with finding a deal yourself and posting it somewhere. So I DO NOT appreciate the time someone has put into copying another person's work. Especially when that individual is popular and everyone knows him. In regards to this post, I put it up just to ask people to follow the moral part of the problem. It is understandable some deals are good to be posted everywhere, but it could get annoying when you see LD is a smaller/copied version of HUKD. So what motivates a user to visit here when they can get more from HUKD? You answer this question and I will shut my mouth.
In regards to yourself, I do not know you mate. I don't know if you believe in moral things or not. I also don't know if you think LD should be a reference or a copycat version of HUKD. I personally am putting time to build this site. Every single deal of mine are original and not posted on HUKD by anyone else (at least when I posted it here first). And I think this helps building audience. If there is a reason for people to visit, they will visit. It is as simple!
mixmixi what you have done here by criticising another user is to me personally playground stuff. What it has achieved
is that the users of this site have now lost one poster because I refuse to be a part of somewhere that allows such nonsense. I had not yet made my mind up whether I would just take a break from posting on here or stop completely but my mind is now made. I really do not understand this whole moral thing in this instance and quite honestly I think it is pathetic that someones morals can be judged on what they post on an internet forum such as this. I don't know what rules you follow on here but I don't see anywhere where it states that it is against site rules for what you are taking umbrage with to be done so it is only morally wrong in your mind, it doesn't make the user a bad person or without morals. Anyway that's enough I really have better things to be doing.
jinxyjink Whatever! You seem like a 14 years old and talking like one! Taking things so personally and concluding so quickly that possibly making you a complete unapproachable individual in real life! See you later whenever you feel better!
But aside from that, I was not even talking about you that you took it so personal! I am only checking/active on game section and have never seen you around over there! So I don't know you at all! It is just funny once you criticise someone or something here, you see one or two people post farewell messages with broken heart! If you want to go, feel free to go! But go and grow up before you come back again.
mixmixi Says the man who bawls out loud because his mates deals are being copied................ my heart is far from broken I just won't be a part of somewhere that openly allows supposedly grown men to throw their dummy out the pram and try and bully other users into stopping doing what they see fit on the site because they don't think it's right. Ta Ra.
mixmixi To be clear because you seem a little confused, what I said was I will not post on here by that I meant I would not share anything else as in deals etc. If I choose to reply to any comments or thank a user for their posts then I jolly well will.If I decide to stop doing any of those things or using the site completely it will be at a time of my own choosing and not one influenced by the likes of you thank you very much.
jinxyjink Hi There Are Some People Who Think That Deals Posted On h**d Are Exclusive To That Site,
I Had The Same Problem When LD First Started, It Seem's Their Aim Is To Drive People away From LD
All The Deals I See Are Posted On At Least 4 Sites So Who Posted Them In The First Place Is Hard
To Tell So Just Carry On Doing What You Do Well And Don't Respond To Negative Comments
And Stop Posting Deals And Comps Before I Get To Em LOL
Bestoffer I am sorry if it has been misinterpreted for you. I can see you post about 20 deals a day and all of them are copied from the HUKD. I see this as a killer. I cannot see how it is helping. Imagine if I am a user of both sites, which one would I prefer? It seems you both are unable to understand what I mean. posting 20 days a deal which are all repeats is pointless. Everyone knows about HUKD! But LD is growing, exclusive content will help it grow more! Copied materials will kill it! Not sure in what other language or tone should I explain...
Also in regards to what you are stating that "It Seem's Their Aim Is To Drive People away From LD All The Deals I See Are Posted On At Least 4 Sites So Who Posted Them In The First Place Is Hard To Tell"; No my aim is to fix the problem not to drive anyone off this site. I receive more benefit posing on LD than HUKD, so I care! And yes you are right, you cannot tell who has posted a deal first across the 4 websites, but anyone can tell all you do yourself is copy and paste!
Bestoffer I appreciate people finding deals and putting hard work in, but the key point here is you cannot copywrite or legally own any deals posted, it is public domain and can be published by anyone. I am sure Buzz is not too bothered, in fact he will be flattered that others find his deals so good that they are being replicated. It will not be harming HUKD revenue as people using both sites regular, if they want to purchase from the deal posted will certainly buy from the first lisitng as to not miss out in case they sell out, hence HotUKDeals will usually get the sale if the listing is posted there first and the member is active on both sites, and vice versa. Nobody is a loser here, everyone is a winner, we are all actively doing what we enjoy and the websites are earning money.
Just get along peeps, have a beer, if you do not drink donations are welcome. Be happy.
Bestoffer Oh, sad times, no donation from you then. :( Happy beer drinking, let me know when you are on the wagon with a fridge full, I can pay postage and you can keep the fridge.
BestofferClever man, an empty fridge means only one thing...the wife must be nattering at the shop again, she went over an hour ago for the beer and the shop is only next door. I would go myself but hate paying these Uber fares!
CashoutCarl Sadly The Wifes Tea Total So I Have To Fetch My Own Beer Could'nt Trust Her To
Get Something With Alcohol In It
Hi mixmixi
I'm not having a go or trying to get into any debate but I am just commenting on what you said about a user of another site.
"I know BuzzDuraband. We are a couple of people on H**D who know each others. I know his posts are original, and I can tell you when someone is copying them here".
I think you may have picked the wrong person there to mention about being an original poster. Not to say that everything he posts is copied but I know what I've seen. I used to post on PAB and that Buzz guy copied some of my posts as well as copying posts put out by the website owner and he still does it now.
SteveMate Buzz was just an example and it is not about who is coping who. It is about the overall view of sites. LD is growing/wants to grow. Unless it has nothing new to offer it won't. It is as simple! You guys are arguing now here with me over who is copying who and jinxy seems so butt hurt that putting pictures up that makes me believe all of you are looking at the tip of my finger instead of where I am pointing at..
Sometimes I copy and paste a description of an item off a retailers website- simply because I like to know details and won't recall them all identically (specifics of tech etc) the link will lead to the accredited source anyway.
Surely combination of both is a good way to go? Copy and paste some bits of a deal you find but make sure you add your own opinion/experience/ knowledge of the product offered?
I like the community element of it here. Despite being as sociable as a white shark! Surely compromise is key? If you are going to copy and paste perhaps add a tiny bit more information to keep deals personal?
I think there will always be enough additional deals added to prevent this site from becoming stale and repetitive.
It certainly still looks varied to me. In the words of Jack Nicholson 'can't we all just get along?' (Admittedly that's before an alien gets him!).
P.s I understand what's being said about other deal sites but if it's a good deal i don't see the harm in sharing it if you've found the product and can add something to the original deal find.
Till the posted things are deals, I think they should be shared. Maybe we do not check a website one day and we miss out on something good.
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