A Curfew Looking Inevitable as the under 30s Cannot Use Common Sense ?
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I do have sympathy with the younger generation - supposedly the most intelligent generation ever !
Surely this generation must realise they are the "super spreaders " , spreading Covid amongst themselves , then taking it home to parents and Grandparents ?
They may not care about themselves, or is it a risk worth taking (Under 30s are unlikely to die from COVID ) ? Do they realise they are taking it home or are they too selfish to think about that .
The "entitled " generation need to take responsibility for their actions and get rid of the "I'll do what I like and blame someone else " culture .
Hopefully it will only be for 6 months if all folks act sensibly but what is the chance of that while our idiotic youth run riot .
The most intelligent generation ever (apparently ? ) - Do me a favour !
You see, I wonder if it depends on areas and perceptions. To be honest, I've seen the younger generation really step up - I live in an area where it's predominantly older folk and here at least, they really don't give a damn. I did discuss it with one of our neighbours and he was saying he's lived his life so he doesn't mind if he gets it now (no mention of who else he might spread it too). It was difficult explaining to my kids that we were staying in and not seeing their friends while watching neighbours have their kids, grandkids etc visit. Our immediate neighbour is having building work done - she'll have two, three, four builders in - she runs a cleaning company so they'll all turn up with their kids in tow and she has a gardener also. And this was almost every day during the the absolute peak of lockdown.
I guess some people are just selfish irrespective of age but it does annoy me when blame is thrown at the door of the younger people. They'll be the ones who will be dealing with the economic aftermath left by all of this. My daughter's a military cadet - she teaches first aid and advanced first aid. She's recently ran an online session on cardiac issues that was attended by over 80 people. I'm damn proud of her and maybe she isn't typical but she's got some pretty awesome friends also. She's only 17.
Like I say it may just be dependant on area but from my admittedly very personal experience the only entitled people I'm seeing are the old folk!
As a military cadet I presume that she was subject to a 2 or 3 month lockdown when she started basic training (I know I was !) . Not a Covid lock down but that's the way they do it when you join the forces (or used to ) .
I think its becoming beyond reasonable doubt that the elderly will die from this (massively over the winter) and the spreaders are the 15 -30 year old age group who will largely escape relatively unscathed .
Obviously many in the 15-30 age group are responsible young adults , sadly many are not - seen lots of news footage of late night antics and couldn't spot a single "wrinkly " amongst them . Did anyone ?
In a couple of years time we will analyse how it happened , what made the crisis worse etc etc . To me it is obvious already that the lack of social distancing , flippant attitude to the rules is making the crisis worse.
In a couple of years will todays 15 -30 year old generation regret their present actions or will they blame it all on someone else ?
Obviously I am generalising , and I know their are many fine young people who are equally disgusted with the actions of their generation .
Haha Golfforall 'The most intelligent generation ever'' 
The level of education at the moment is so bad that you get kids taking 20 GCSEs and passing at A* and then going on to get 8 A levels at A*. It's an absolute joke.
The problem is that employers don't take any notice of qualifications these days because they're not worth the paper that they're written on.
I've met a couple of younger teachers and they are basically thick as 
, wouldn't even get to a grand on Millionaire.
And Generation Z need to sort themselves out, because it's not going to become any easier for them and they can't keep on complaining that it's not their fault that they're in the situation that they're in.
'Entitled' is exactly how they feel and maybe they'll wake up when mummy (and maybe daddy) stop bailing them out.
Agree , who did they think they were fooling when they upped all the grades (Not potential employers !) . Not even the Universities who are now businesses who need the fodder as they have lost many overseas students .
I just wonder when it all boils down in a few years time will todays youth admit to being the irresponsible children they are now acting as ? And regret their actions ?
The majority of twentysomething and thirtysomething I see have young children and are trying to keep them safe. I'm not saying they all take homeschooling seriously but try to keep kids safe
Have you seen the news ! Its not thousands of 50 - 60 yr olds on the streets of Liverpool , Newcastle , Manchester , Glasgow , Nottingham etc after 10 pm over the weekend . Or to be fair no 20 year olds with kids in tow either . Maybe the grandparents have the kids ?
I don't really like to blame young people in general for being the reason why Covid is still spreading, but overall, I do think the amount of younger people ignoring the guidelines outweighs other age groups. There are plenty of younger people who have obeyed the rules and guidelines, but every picture I see online of people not social distancing, not following the rules, is always of the younger generation. They're the ones who are repeatedly pictured in crowds, with no social distancing whatsoever.
Of course, there are people of all ages who are being irresponsible and adding to the spread of this thing, one way or another. But I've never seen a picture of a crowd of elderly people outside a pub, or a picture of a group of 50 year olds at a street party during this time. Yet there are hundreds of these kinds of pictures of the younger generation.
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TheChimp What I was trying to say is that I don't want to blame ALL young people, in general. I don't like to say things like "young people are causing Covid to spread" because that implies that ALL young people are behaving badly, which is not the case. Some of them are being responsible. But there are just more people from the younger generation breaking the rules than any other generation, the pictures and information online show that. I've had a long day 
I might be rambling a bit.
The trouble is its not contained within the young community (as I presume our "entitled generation" must think ?) They ignore social distancing then go home to their parents house , where many still live these days, and pass it onto their parents .
I know that ! surely any intelligent person knows that ! You can go out have a drink , observing distancing as I do - its not Rocket science ! Treat everyone , even your mates , family and even yourself as being infected and act accordingly .
Why do the "entitled generation " not get that !!?
Golfforall I think a lot of it is just that some young people simply don't care. They know what they are supposed to do, they know how they are supposed to behave right now and like you say, it's not rocket science. But they'd rather carry on like nothing has changed- so that's what they do.
angelik Of course its not all young people , as I said I'm sure the decent young folks are as annoyed at members of their generation as any of us .
Problem is these days young people are ruled by the herd instinct , lives driven by "influencers " on Social media . Surely if a well balanced person needs to be "influenced" by a nonentity on social media they should , by default , consider themselves a failure and do something about it ?
It seems (by all the current statistics ) that the majority of the population "get" that this is very very dangerous . Sadly it seems that the "invulnerable " youth - don't "Get it " !
As much as I want to blame the young and dumb, being in the middle ground (I think like yourself), I've seen pensioners meeting up in big groups in cafés and disregarding rules in other ways. One interesting thing is in my local supermarket at least, the older folk are the most guilty of bog roll hoarding for instance (that's come from staff by the way). I think there are muppets in every age group to be honest. I've had to turn a blind eye to some of what I've seen friends and family doing. None of it is over the top ridiculous but they're all breaking the rules. We just have to get on with it and lead by example 
Went to Morrisons and Sainsburys today (as I had a couple of vouchers to spend ) . No shortages , no queuing , everyone keeping their distance and wearing face coverings . No trolley loads of loo rolls leaving the Supermarkets .
5pm up the pub (as usual for a couple of pints ) everyone on the App , everyone observing hand hygiene and social distancing . Staff (God bless them ) didn't have to say a word to the clients .
Not difficult , young, middle aged and old and kids mixing together as we always do - just being sensible on a nice sunny evening .
Now what's wrong with being sensible and cautious ? We can still socialise responsibly - For now , until the idiots ruin it for everyone !
Golfforall That's it really. Common sense. One of my favourite phrases through this whole thing has been "just because you can, it doesn't mean you should". Some people are incapable of judging a situation for themselves. That's the long and short of it really. It's the reason we need speed limits and sugar taxes. The other thing is there are two types who **** things up for the rest of us - those who misunderstand and those who don't care.
Hoarding/stockpiling is another selfish act during this time. Two of my local supermarkets have now run out of toilet roll this week, and it's only going to get worse if people carry on like they did last time.
angelik Again , the herd instinct - What is this urge to do what everyone else is doing - to conform ? Or just prove they are stupid ?
There's no shortage of loo rolls there never was - just a temporary shortage due to the panic buying idiots and distribution problems (which lasted 2 weeks max in April . Surely the terminally dense panic buyers must still have a years supply left from their previous panic buys in April ?
Trust me if Armageddon does come ,having 2 years worth of bog roll will be of little comfort !
Golfforall Very true.
And last time, the government and the shops kept saying that there really wasn't an actual shortage, it's just that the stockpilers were panic buying so much that it caused the problem. But did people listen? Nope, they just kept buying more and more until everything was empty.
angelik And 2 weeks after the shelves were emptied , stocks were back to normal - there was never a shortage , just the supermarket's distribution systems couldn't keep up with idiots buying 3 months shopping in 3 days . And how much of that panic buying has been thrown out for becoming well past its sell by date ?
I dread to think of what may happen protest on the streets young people getting criminal records coving spreading uncontrollable where dose it end
As we have seen with face coverings and other restriction there are a lot of people that will simply ignore any new rules. Over the weekend the Scottish police broke up at least 300 house parties. They found that they were being held "in every community and age group" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54323354 Plus, the 10pm curfew on bars and restaurants has been problematic and maybe causing more harm than good. Everyone is leaving at the same time, so the streets and public transport are much busier - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54323760
Yes I've seen those reports and also the videos that accompany them . I'm glad they are , at last , carrying out enforcement . Should have happened months ago then we may not have got to this critical stage .
It also does seem bonkers to allow supermarkets and off licences to sell alcohol after 10 pm , doesn't take a genius to realise what would happen . I presume that will be sorted in short order .
We can't duck it - its going to be a lifestyle change -the new normal - for six months (at least) . The sooner everyone gets used to it , the safer we all will be .
Don’t really think age has much to do with it. I’ve certainly seen people of all ages both being safe and completely disregarding the guidelines. Most of the worst I’ve seen personally are older adults, such as my 80+ year old neighbours.
Haven't seen many of my 80 year old neighbours (and I have a few ) drunk as skunks in groups of 100+ in the town centre . But I believe you but I'm not there to check after 10 pm .
Golfforall I really think the ‘stupidity’ spreads across all ages. Any time I’ve driven past a pub I’ve seen big groups of adults (30-40s) outside but not necessarily young people. In my street at least it’s certainly the older ones that have been having lots of people in their houses etc
lornaae Depends I suppose . I prefer sitting outside my Pub , rather than inside it ,safer in my view and we are all booked in and socially distanced .
Also if anyone whether old or young are habitually having "lots" of people in you should report them - and for interest how do you know ? Do you count them in and out ?
Golfforall oh yeah safer to sit outside but I have many times over the past few months driven past packed beer gardens with very large groups (10+) drinking all sat/stood next to each other. Not necessarily counted them but seen different people go in and out, no masks or social distancing etc
I think it is completely unfair to blame young people for spreading the virus. All my twenty year old friends have respected the rules and acted responsibly
Good for them , hope they can persuade their mates to act the same . But you can't deny the evidence shown on the news . Whether you like it or not its the young folk (in general ) that are the impetus for the upsurge in cases . I'm afraid that is fact .
To be fair all my 20 -30 year old mates (as far as I know ) obey the rules and they are as annoyed as me that members of their generation blatantly and frequently flout the rules .
Maybe I'm lucky to have younger friends who possess common sense .
Golfforall I will jump in here, not to defend any age group but to point out what a load of **** the media serves us so let's not take that too seriously. I've seen several instances of it recently and of course social media is even worse - plagued with fake pictures etc.
"evidence shown on the news"
What evidence is that? The media spouting numbers and fearmongering, huh? That's not actually evidence. Golfforall
PhilipMarc I think you should look at the Gov.uk website https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/characteristicsofpeopletestingpositiveforcovid19inenglandseptember2020 .
Will save you the embarrassment of disregarding official (not social media ) figures ?
Golfforall important to note that part of this blaming of young people is due to them being in positions where they are for example working in shops, bars and restaurants etc where they are more likely to pick up the virus than those who are maybe older that can work from home or work in much busier workplaces at least. And young people have also just been made to go back to school, college and uni - only uni seems to be online and even then not entirely and students are still living in halls where I imagine it is very difficult to isolate from one another with shared facilities. So yes, they are in situations where they are more likely to be susceptible to catching and spreading the virus, but not necessarily down to stupidity or recklessness.
What is the point of a curfew? Does covid know what time it is and lurk about until 10pm to come out and play....Just asking. To me it is a ridiculous concept.
We all know that 20 & 30 year olds think they know it all and that clearly in their minds they know better than the rest of us but they should be brought under control. The real question is how to achieve this successfully.
Many of them probably think that if they take the bug home and wipe their families out them they will inherit everything so it will be alright for them: They get to go out and have fun now, spread the disease, and get the money/house/car soon too. I hope they reap what they sow... anyone with a conscience wouldn't act as they do.
Supermarkets in Portugal stop selling alcohol at 8 PM, but like.. who cares! Buy the booze earlier and get wasted if that's what some want.
Btw, in Algarve they have a Tesco supermarket. I've yet to visit that since it wasn't down my route.
Stereotyping only seeks to fuel the myth. I think our younger generation deserve more credit than they get. We all want someone to blame, that’s human nature, but in truth every generation has its followers and rule breakers.
It’s not just the younger generation, it’s across all age generations fact. If you want to blame anyone blame the incompetent money grabbing puts the economy first over lives government.
Unfortunately the economy has to keep going (although at a much slower pace ) - Otherwise where is the money going to come from with little tax revenue and soaring social benefits to pay out .
I'm sure if you could suggest where the government could "grab " the money from with the economy shut down they would be very grateful . The magic money tree has been shaken clean and we still have the NHS , Care and unemployment benefit to pay . Even more unemployment benefits and less tax income if further sections of the economy were shut down .
Golfforall Yeah there is more available if they actually taxed amazon,google,apple,Samsung etc.
I think you’re being a bit harsh. It’s not just the younger generation it’s all age groups. How many grandparents are allowing their families to visit? I think you’ll find most are!
Crikey?! What do we have here??? I have not been online so far today and look what's kicked off???!!!
I think we all have to have responsibility for our actions. In my humble opinion I think no single group should be highlighted unfairly. But seriously? What did we all think was going to happen when students went to University? These students have been locked down for weeks and now they have been left to their own devices away from home. Of course they are going to want to make friends face to face, and perhaps a bit closer. I know I am a bit older, but I remember 'Fresher's Week'!!! On a similar note, my friend's daughter in the US went to university a few weeks ago and the uni had to close literally 3 days after she has arrived because of Covid-19. This is not a unique situation to the UK. It's a global issue.
That said, I have seen older people in their 30s up to their 60s mixing and mingling not giving a fig for any restrictions. Personally, as a 40 something, I live rurally and only go out with my partner for exercise early in the morning before returning home. We all have a part to play, and I really do not think it's one group that should be held responsible. I really don't.
Good luck peeps. Be safe.
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Hope you are feeling really proud of that Childish yawn ? As the evidence continues to stack up (just read and listen to the news ) its that immature attitude (or perhaps you thought you were being clever ?) that puts everyone in danger .
Hope you wake up to reality and cease "yawning " maybe if you paid attention to what is happening you could do some good ?
Golfforall you clearly are the ignorant one to presume nobody is doing no good. Fear projecting like you do best. Stop bullying people, we have a freedom to Express ourselves at anytime how we like and if you don't agree with that then that's upto you.
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