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Elderly Could Be 'Adversely Impacted' by Plan to Axe Landlines by 2025

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Many elderly people do not own mobiles , they either dont want them, maybe they find them too complicated to use or cannot afford them, with telecoms latest plan for internet only phones they will be forced to buy and use one or have no phone contact at all

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/landlines-face-axe-just-under-24762818

telmel
a month ago
What do you think of this?
RegularComper90
RegularComper90a month ago

Axing landlines, petrol/diesel cars and gas boilers. I don't recall any of this green stuff being mentioned in the Tory manifesto.

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Imnotcheap
Imnotcheapa month ago

most elderly people I know do have mobile phones. we haven't had a landline for years as when my son was young he would hide the phones so it cost a fortune in batteries

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SilverSurfer
SilverSurfera month ago

I wonder if it will be cheaper for your internet without overpaying for landline most people don't even use anymore apart from internet.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

SilverSurfer that's what i thought we pay a extra 10er for it

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Shellsmithcat
Shellsmithcata month ago

What about lifelines

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

So the elderly dont want to pay exorbitant mobile prices and plans but will be forced to

and what good is a mobile to them when most are probably stuck at home ?

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel What do you mean by "exorbitant mobile prices?" I found one sim priced at £4.95 a month with totally unlimited calls to landlines and other mobiles.

Those who at the moment don't have a mobile could buy one for less than they save in the first month of not paying the exorbitant charges for land lines rental.

In other words: Full phone costs for year less than £60 a year - most pay near to that for about two months at present.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport Its strange how anything i say you will find fault with

If i say black, you say white

This is not just about cost, its about people in vulnerable positions being forced to give up something that has existed for 144 years , you may not be in that position but think of others that are

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel If it wasn't about the cost why use the word EXORBITANT?

You fail to see that it is the price people are paying for land line and calls from land lines that are exorbitant. The only reason I have a landline is because I need one for broadband.

Smoke signals and carrier pigeons existed for more than 144 years but most users didn't find it much of a wrench to leave them in the past.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport I beg to differ D, carrier pigeons are still in use in france

I have posted a link to the video for you

When technology fails the old ways are still there to be used

France's last military carrier pigeons

The French military still keeps homing pigeons as a means of long-distance communication. They were famously used by soldiers in the First and Second World Wars to carry dispatches when all other means were down.

https://www.dw.com/en/frances-last-military-carrier-pigeons/av-46168481

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel You didn't need to post any video - you should just have read what I actually said: "Smoke signals and carrier pigeons existed for more than 144 years but most users didn't find it much of a wrench to leave them in the past". (MOST users implying not ALL users left them in the past)

I understand the word "existed" (past tense) can be confusing - but if I say "I existed for many years you were born" it doesn't mean I no longer exist.

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telmel
telmel
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a month ago
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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel Is that you at school during English classes?😀

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport No its me falling asleep listening to your drivel

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Ann1984
Ann1984a month ago

davidstockport I agree plus you can by the big button mobile for elderly. Landline waste of money

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Ann1984 You can also get phones not dissimilar to landline phones, that you can plug into the mains with the SIM card plugged into them. They're not very expensive. Not sure on this but think the cordless handset can be taken with you when you go out - so you've got a mobile, virtually landline, with unlimited calls to both mobiles and landlines for less than £5 a month. That's a fraction of the cost of just landline charge (without calls) and yet someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about calls it EXORBITANT.

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telmel
telmel
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a month ago
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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport No D, you are wrong, they are limited to working within a short distance of the base

The Maximum Range

As a result, you can expect up to 50 meters range for indoor usage, and up to 300 meters outdoors. This assumes that both the phone base and the handset are either indoors or outdoors

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Ann1984 That should convince him (although I doubt it) I was checking those out a few months ago, (saw them much cheaper) I wondered if they existed, if they hadn't I'd have invented one.😀

Even at that price you've got money back in two months by what's saved by not paying line rental.

I don't even pay £5 a month my pay as you go deal costs me £30 a year. For which I get 3,000 minutes (rolled over too). Which for many people is enough (there's no charge for incoming calls).

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telmel
telmel
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a month ago
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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

You can get SIM phones, large button, where the SIM card is in phone, and the docking station, which acts as charger, plugs into mains. Try to explain what's wrong about that. Even us oldn's know how to put the phone down when it's not in use.

The one Ann1984 posted a link to is for those who don't want to take their phone out with them.

I do understand you're not old enough yet to understand all the modern technology.

Here's just one that fits the bill the picture might help you understand. I posted it as a deal a few months back. https://www.latestdeals.co.uk/deals/big-button-mobile-phone-unlocked-save-4401-amazon

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport I am not going to answer you any more mr D , you and your sidekick A37 are only out to cause trouble, as i mentioned last night , please keep off my posts , i dont want to discuss them with you as you turn my posts into a farce with your personal attacks , the gif was my final tribute to you , childish yes, for a child

I know what you are trying to achieve and i wont let you

Have a nice day

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel So what's new? You didn't actually answer me when I asked: "What do you mean by exorbitant mobile prices?" You most certainly didn't like being proved wrong - MOBILE PHONES cost much less than landlines. there is no line rental charge and unlimited call sims are available for less than £5 a month. (I actually pay £30 a year - but limited to 3,000 minutes).

I think anyone interested can see for themselves who posts personal attacks - thanks for proving it. I wouldn't call you "childish" most children know the difference between "most" and "all". You've shown above that you don't.

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Sarahvwomble
Sarahvwomblea month ago

davidstockport don't care if they gave me the mobile phone for nothing or paid me to have it as they do not work in many places including my home often for hours, which if you need a 999 call is unless,just think not everyone is in the same circumstances

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Sarahvwomble I assume that when the changes are made the mobile coverage nationwide will have got to as near 100% as humanly possible. (I do realise it can be problematic in some areas at present).

Landlines weren't much good at contacting the police if people had an intruder. Most intruders used to snip the phone cable before entering. They might still do so realising that home security systems usually rely on a broadband connection.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

davidstockport see someone has just told you how it will effect them and you still have to try and prove a point what's the point?

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Leannexxx The only point I've tried to make is that contrary to what was said, those who don't need a landline phone because they're not online and don't need the landline for broadband, will NOT be subjected to exorbitant charges for mobile use. (They'll actually save over £200 a year - by ditching landline).

If you meant my reply to SarahWomble I was merely saying that both mobile and landline phones have their weaknesses especially regarding security, landlines definitely the worst.

To add to what I've said - I don't know the exact figure but most calls are now made by mobile phones. Landline phones are already becoming a thing of the past.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

davidstockport im not going to argue with you because I can't be bothered yes phone landline are old fashion to be honest surprised they didn't get rid of them sooner that woman was expressing how it will effect her and all you could do was point out that no good anyway

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Leannexxx I was explaining to "the woman" whose name you couldn't remember, that things will probably have improved with mobile coverage when the changes take place, and also pointing out that land lines can be less reliable for emergency calls. Perhaps try reading again - and if you don't want to argue perhaps try reading anything I write properly before commenting on it.😀

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

davidstockport I can remember her name just wasn't going to bring her into this see there is no point in even speaking to you coz in your head your always right everyone else is wrong

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Sarahvwomble
Sarahvwomblea month ago

davidstockport yes that might be the case but my worry is always medical emergency or fire ,.Surely the thing is CHOICE, might be great for 99% not to have to pay for a landline,annoys me when use it so little but it is needed

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Sarahvwomble I understand your concern, it might help you to know that with emergency calls from a mobile the call will be made on any available network. So possibly better than a landline where adverse weather can prevent any calls being made.

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

I am getting a little tired of your constant attacks and insults. In this case I know who's wrong and reasonably certain it wasn't me. Referring to someone as "that woman" wasn't exactly polite.

I fail to see why you needed to post anything, I was having a non confrontational exchange with SW. You contributed nothing.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

davidstockport attacks and insults? Please go look at yourself

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

Leannexxx L , dont take the bait, its not worth it

I choose to ignore him now and he is looking for another member to dispute with

By the way , this is my post and you have every right to post your comments here , you have my blessing

Its he that should not be allowed on it

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

telmel thanks its ok I dont worry bout him funny tho its agrued with a lot of people on here but its us that's always in the wrong why am I not surprised

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Leannexxx May I suggest if you see me attacking or insulting anyone you report it. If you see me replying to people attacking or insulting me in a reasonably polite manner I suggest you don't even bother. (I know it's annoying when I won't rise to the bait - but you'll get used to it),😀

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Grannyclock
Grannyclocka month ago

We have a landline because my husband hates using a mobile to call people. He is just stubborn though and I’m slowly converting him and he at last has one that will connect to the internet. However, very few of our friends are unable to use mobiles.

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tumblespots
tumblespotsa month ago

I just commented on this in another thread about a potential cashless society.

In our village, in the back of beyond, we have all just gone over to this 'digital phone' which means that a) you have to have a BT hub (or perhaps other type of hub) for the phone to go through, luckily we do have one of those! b) if we get a power cut we can't use the phones and have to rely on mobile phones - the enormous downside there is that the signal is somewhere between sh*t and non-existent - you try getting a OTP out here! I am sure that some of the residents in the village haven't got phone usage at all now as many are elderly and can't get to grips with mobile phones and wouldn't even know what a 'hub' is as they don't have computers. I'm sure it's progress for some but it doesn't feel like it from where I am sitting!

Another thing we have noticed is that all calls come up as 'out of the area' on the display and you have to dial everyone's area dialing code no matter where they are - even two doors along the road!

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tara73ziva
tara73zivaa month ago

I tried just to use a mobile a few years ago and it was Impossible as when your trying to get through to hospitals to make appointments or change them you are hanging on for ages and it costs a small fortune or you lose the signal or the mobile goes flat so we have a land line and fibre-optic broadband and I get all my phone calls to other land lines for free with caller display and insurance for well under £40 a month, it will be hard for all the elderly who can not use a mobile if they take this service away, not everyone can use a mobile

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Lynibis
Lynibisa month ago

My mobile costs £10.50 per month and I get 2,000 minutes of calls which is more than 30 hours, plenty for me, though it may not be for others. I also get free calls to other Virgin phones and thousands of text. I could get it even cheaper than that with sky but can't be bothered to change lol.

Ok, you have to pay for a phone but the elderly who only need basic phones can get them quite cheaply these days and I am sure family could buy as a birthday/Xmas gift.

I am not far off 70 and I use a kindle, a tablet, desktop computer and a Samsung android phone. I don't believe age is a barrier, people just can't be bothered to learn. I have friends in their 60s who haven't got email and it is exasperating when they refuse to be shown. I haven't had a landline for about 12/14 years.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

Lynibis L,

The family bought my dad a simple mobile for emergencies on pay as you go a few years before he died as his health was not good and he still insisted on driving

He never used it and it was delegated to the bottom drawer

I am sure there are many like my dad was , even the simplest technology to us is difficult for them , a lot of older people dont like change , and the demise of the landline is going to cause some a lot of stress

Telecom companies dont think of the effect on older people, they are just profit orientated

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Lynibis
Lynibisa month ago

telmel well, if we took that attitude we wouldn't progress at all. What about microwaves, digital washing machines and surely online groceries are a boon for the infirm, old or young.

My aunt is 81 and does WhatsApp, text, calls etc by mobile. So please do not use age as an excuse. Apart from those that are mentally impaired age is not a barrier, they are either stubborn, lazy, can't be bothered or scared of not understanding so are therefore scared of failing and looking foolish.

I have a friend who is 21 years younger than my aunt but will not allow me to even show him how to use email, I have to send to his wife! He has a tablet given as gift still in box, that is nothing to do with age and I resent the ageist comments as many old folk are totally capable of mastering tech. Many young people are just as technophobic as proven on this site by many who cannot find their way around or post deals etc.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

Lynibis L, it isnt my attitude, it was my dads, he suffered memory loss as well as more serious issues

Good on those who can negotiate technology , but there are those that cannot for various reasons

Alzheimers is a good example, people hang onto the little dignity they have left as they get slowly lost in their illness , and to suggest these people are lazy or stubborn is a little cruel

They cannot embrace anything new, especially technology like mobiles, they need familiarity

Its like languages, some people can learn them easily, for others it is an impossibilty

It doesnt make them lazy or stupid, its just a skill they lack

So rather than lambast older people in this situation they should be offered sympathy and help

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Lynibis You're quite right Lynibis there are far too many ageist comments. I notice even your comment received one - who but younger people think we are SUFFERING changes any more than they are.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

davidstockport D, please read my last comment on my reply to L

Theres nothing ageist about what i put , i am defending those not in a position to embrace technology , those with illnesses 🥺

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Lynibis
Lynibisa month ago

telmel did you not read the part in my comment where I said 'apart from those that are mentally impaired age is not a barrier' . I also see you use lazy and stupid to imply that I am cruel or unfeeling when I in fact made it clear in my comment that all ages can be technophobes and all ages can be lazy, clever, not bothered etc. It is the ageism I have a problem with because AS I SAID all folk of all ages can have problems with tech.

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telmel
telmel
Original Poster
a month ago

Lynibis L ,My father wasnt mentally impaired L, he had the onset of alzheimers

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

telmel I have reread "a lot of older people dont like change , and the demise of the landline is going to cause some a lot of stress

Telecom companies dont think of the effect on older people, they are just profit orientated.

The word OLDER was totally unnecessary - it implies only OLDER people don't like change or are being ripped off. It could be some younger people who don't like change and are being ripped off.

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