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Hey guys,

We created a chat topic a while ago to get feedback on what people thought about allowing political and religious conversation on LD.

We got a mixed response - with some very keen to promote freedom of speech and allow all conversation and others feeling that LD wasn’t the right platform for such topics.

After a great deal of thought and deliberation we have decided (for now) to introduce a new rule prohibiting political and religious content on LD.

In an effort to understand where we’re coming from on this, here is our rationale:

  • We fundamentally agree with freedom of speech and allowing people to express their thoughts.
  • By it’s very nature, people are passionate about politics and religion and this can often lead to heated debate and discussion.
  • We recognise that sometimes discussions can descend into something unacceptable from a legal standpoint - whether that be due to sexism, racism, inciting religious hatred or some other reason.
  • We are (if we’re being honest) not qualified to be judge and jury as to what content is unacceptable.
  • Like all members of LD, the moderation team have different personal views and, as such, it would be very difficult to moderate content on a case-by-case basis without bias and in a standardised and fair way. Ultimately a lot of these things are subjective and who are we to decide what is/isn’t okay?
  • LD is first and foremost a deals/money saving community. There are lots of other excellent places to debate the merits of various political regimes and religious beliefs.

So, as we’re still a very small team with limited resources we think the best way forward for now is to disallow political and religious conversation on LD. That way, we’re at least fairly prohibiting all conversation (rather than taking sides) and it frees up our time to work on exciting new features for LD and (more importantly) finding great deals!

We still very much encourage discussion and debate and think everyone should challenge not only other people’s views but their own too.

This is perhaps something we can revisit in the future when we have a bigger team and/or come up with a fair moderation system. We’d like to reiterate that this wasn’t an easy decision - we recognise whatever the outcome we would disappoint some members - which is never something we want to do!

Thanks as ever for being part of LD 👍

Kelsey
6 months ago
What do you think of this?
Johnny
Johnny6 months ago

Hi Kelsey

Many thanks for the detailed explanation. I think that's a wise decision for LD.

The following forum terms and conditions are an extract from The Economist website, and clearly aim to deal with similar issues of inappropriate / sensitive user-generated content in forums, and may be useful background info when further developing your own site rules for Latest Deals.

You are solely responsible for the content of your Messages. You must comply with any rules posted by The Economist on a Forum. You may not:

  • Post, link to or otherwise publish any Messages containing material that is obscene, racist, homophobic or sexist or that contains any form of hate speech;
  • Post, link to or otherwise publish any Messages that infringe copyright;
  • Post, link to or otherwise publish any Messages that are illegal, libellous, defamatory or may prejudice ongoing legal proceedings or breach a court injunction or other order;
  • Post, link to or otherwise publish any Messages that are abusive, threatening or make any form of personal attack on another user or an employee of The Economist;
  • Post Messages in any language other than English;
  • Post the same Message, or a very similar Message, repeatedly....

Source: https://www.economist.com/legal/terms-of-use#usercontent

Interestingly The Economist makes no mention of politics or religion. I guess the terms 'abusive' and 'any form of hate speech' covers it.

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Inquestorguk
Inquestorguk6 months ago

Fair enough, but my post about Volunteering as Independent Custody Visitor had nothing to do with religion or politics. Puzzled as to why you deleted it.

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Johnny
Johnny6 months ago

Quite often it appears that it is not the original post that is the problem, but rather the responses from other people that may be controversial, sensitive, offensive, annoying, rude, or whatever.

Clearly Latest Deals does not have the time or resources to moderate the contents of Chat threads, especially those that have nothing to do with deals. Sometimes where a chat thread is heading off track I imagine the simplest and safest thing for Latest Deals to do is to delete it entirely.

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Tom
Tom
Founder
6 months ago

Thank you for your message and great contributions. That Chat thread was put into moderation because it was reported to contain a link to an organisation you may be affiliated with. A private email was sent to you earlier today to explain more. The Chat thread was moved into Moderation as per our community decided guidelines. I hope this helps to explain why it was put into Moderation, and please feel free to ask any further questions you have by email.

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Inquestorguk
Inquestorguk6 months ago

Tom Hey Tom, thank you for the response. Although my username is inquestorguk, I have no links to www.inquest.org.uk . I wasn't self promoting and the link which I added was in support to another user's comment about police not being trustworthy. It would be the same as if a user had a username of 'MayThePeaceBeWithYou' and then being unable to post anything Star Wars related. In any case, that was a comment under my post. You could've simply deleted my comment, rather than the entire post. So far there only one user who seems himself as the defender of all police & comes out with ridiculous dialogue, so it is a better idea to block him rather than to censor the entire discussion.

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Inquestorguk
Inquestorguk6 months ago

Inquestorguk apologies for grammar errors.

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Tom
Tom
Founder
6 months ago

Inquestorguk Thank you for your message. The Chat thread has been put live again.

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Inquestorguk
Inquestorguk6 months ago

Tom Thank you. Why there is a little grey lock in front of it?

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Rockman
Rockman6 months ago

The problem with religious and political comments is that it sometimes can be part of a discussion even without being about religion/politics (comedy and entertainment, for example). But yeah, I agree on disallowing topics about that specifically.

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AgnesFaludi
AgnesFaludi6 months ago

Also history involves politics and religion.

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RegularComper90
RegularComper906 months ago

Whilst I am an avid believer of free speech (with in reason of course) I don't really like to get into religious/political debates as those debates can quite easily turn into arguments. But it is interesting listening to others.

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