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Should Tips Be Included in Furloughed Pay for Waiting Staff?

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/17/waiters-call-tips-included-furloughed-pay-12571437/?ito=social

I understand why waiting staff may be asking for more, but I doubt the government has a bottomless pit of cash to cover everything, and any money being given out will barely cover people comfortably

And the chances that people will be dining in droves and tipping generously after the lockdown is lifted is unlikely - although I do miss dining out, it may be a while before I go to a ‘busy’ restaurant

hspexy
3 months ago
What do you think of this?
MrsCraig
MrsCraig3 months ago

I was a waitress for 5 years to pay my way through uni. Tips were an added bonus, because the customer thought they had had exceptional service. In the summer months I could get £150 a month in tips. However, as these were not part of my wages, I didn't include them in my monthly earnings, they were an added bonus and I saved them. Tips are not part of your wages and can vary greatly from day to day, not every customer leaves you a tip and some places will put all the tips earned into a pot and divide it amongst all staff based on the hours you worked so that it is equal, so you might be getting more or less tips by doing it this way. There is no way to know how much a person could earn in tips a month so you would need to give an average amount meaning the person could be getting more or less than normal, which would cause people to complain!

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hspexy
hspexy
Original Poster
3 months ago

Very true. And I’m sure the tips are not taxed, as no one will declare it as additional income. Another reason why the government are unlikely to consider adding it

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MrsCraig
MrsCraig3 months ago

hspexy as tips are not part of your wages they are not taxed because you don't need to declare them. I never earned enough, even if you included my tips, as a waitress to reach the threshold to pay tax.

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Dennab
Dennab3 months ago

No, because it cannot be assessed fairly. As MrsCraig said, it should be seen as extra money, just like the £640 a month I'm currently losing. My friend who only turned self-employed recently is getting nothing.

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lilyflower
lilyflower3 months ago

No basic pay only, if they include Tips what about all other employees that get a bonus? This money is not growing on trees and an ever-ending supply, it will have to be recouped from somewhere, probably them by higher tax/ins then they'll shout again that they are paying too much.

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ukheather
ukheather3 months ago

No not at all

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seasider71
seasider713 months ago

I've got to agree with points the other posters have made.

Do I acknowledge the fact that waiting staff are losing money and struggling to make ends meet - yes absolutely. Do I think that this petition is going to be successful - not a chance.

Also if the waiting staff expect more money from the government is the reverse true? When they do really well with tips do they declare and pay tax on them all?

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hspexy
hspexy
Original Poster
3 months ago

Lol fair point, and very true. I was once told a story about a barman working in a posh establishment who was tipped £10k for making a great cocktail for a wealthy customer. Off on holiday that barman went!

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Dennab
Dennab3 months ago

seasider71 I think there's more chance of hell freezing over than the tax man seeing a penny of that money.

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Dennab
Dennab3 months ago

hspexy 😮 That's a house deposit for some.

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ptenn00
ptenn003 months ago

no, that would be unfair. Lots of people need help, and adding tips should not be a priority, although I do sympathise, We are all going to suffer tough times ahead

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AgnesFaludi
AgnesFaludi3 months ago

I think tips are like charity...and it should not be taken by the owner or taxed.

It is not an earning, just someone gives it to the person if they provide great customer service.

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Auntielettie
Auntielettie3 months ago

The problem is where does adding tips end....taxi drivers, hairdressers it's an endless list

It is an earning and should be taxed under normal circumstances, but it's difficult to police

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