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The Flash Deals part of the site is just full of mostly fake deals that can be found cheaper on Ali Express, i have replied to a few with cheaper links

Now i was guilty of posting these deals but only if i couldn't find it cheaper elsewhere before i posted

There is a good chance of ruining a great site, if these deals are not checked, it seems to be putting affiliate commission over members, i hope this isn't the case

Deanos
2 years ago
What do you think of this?
GlitchHunter
GlitchHunter2 years ago

The deals are posted by members and the team only have a few people in it. They can't be checking every single damn item to see if it can be bought cheaper elsewhere. That's not the point of the site. The person buying the deal should be the one to check first before purchasing.

The people posting the deals may not necessarily have looked for a cheaper deal and bought it at that price. Maybe some are fake deals but a lot are just people posting them to get points as well.

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davidstockport
davidstockport2 years ago

With respect... I don't think you read or noticed the first three words which were "The Flash deals" they aren't posted by the members.

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GlitchHunter
GlitchHunter2 years ago

davidstockport Oh Oh Oh!! My bad!! I totally glossed over that part! Sorry, OP, please ignore my comment. Thanks for pointing that out david.

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davidstockport
davidstockport2 years ago

GlitchHunter It's easily done - I'm sure (well I hope) no one will get too upset☺

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RegularComper90
RegularComper902 years ago

davidstockport David saves the day. 😀

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davidstockport
davidstockport2 years ago

RegularComper90 I do try my best not to upset anyone (unfortunately trying my best isn't always good enough)☺

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RegularComper90
RegularComper902 years ago

davidstockport Plenty of people like that. Just be yourself. If people don't like you just for being the way you are, then that is their problem. Not yours. 😀 👍

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

Yes its all about the "Flash Deals" part of the site, its just full of drop shippers that resell from Ali Express, of course LD will take there commission i guess so will keep the owners happy, they are not special deals as you can find them on Amazon

Just think its ripping off the members when its mostly cheaper elsewhere and certainly isn't a "deal"

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
2 years ago

Morning Deanos 🙂

Thank you for your feedback - we certainly aren't going to delete your post!

To give some history/context to Flash Deals:

  • Flash Deals is a separate part of the website. Whilst the deals, freebies, competitions and vouchers are shared by members of the public the Flash section is reserved for brands to promote their own products.
  • The section is new and we're still trying to work out exactly how it should work. We have, for now, limited it to Amazon so that everyone is protected by Amazon's customer service. In addition - in an attempt to ensure genuine bargains - we require that every post in Flash deals is discounted by at least 50%. We've also made efforts to try and clearly label and distinguish Flash deals from the other deals on the website - there is a notice at the top of the Flash Deals section and also on every Flash Deals post.
  • One of the reasons we launched Flash Deals was because we were inundated with Amazon sellers wanting to share their products on LD. We don't allow self promotion and so it usually ended up with Amazon sellers creating fake accounts to share their products and like their own deals. The idea of Flash Deals is that far less sellers will do this if they have a legitimate, alternative, place to share their products.
  • We actively chose to allow commenting on Flash Deals because we want to allow the community to provide the same great insight into the deals as we have across the whole site. If you do indeed spot something cheaper elsewhere then we'd encourage you to comment irrespective of whether it's a Flash Deal or a deal shared by a member of LD.

The "must have at least 50% off" rule does have flaws. Sometimes people don't adhere to it and, in those cases, we'll put the posts into moderation. Other times it can be more difficult, the RRP will be the RRP on Amazon but perhaps it is selling for significantly less elsewhere. This could be because it just sells for less elsewhere, or that another shop also has a sale. In these cases it's more difficult to enforce any rules as the post technically does comply with our guidelines. This is where members commenting and providing their expertise is really useful.

Sorry for the early morning ramble! Long story short, we welcome all feedback on Flash Deals and if you, or anyone else reading, has any feedback/suggestions as to how we could improve it we're all ears 👍

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

Thanks for the reply, mine is genuine feedback and i want this site to succeed but if you are not careful you may loose the trust of your members , trouble is the sellers are marking up the RRP's to silly amounts, a example someone posted a razor handle and one blade RRP £15 and 80% off to knock it down to £3, this is just a run of the mill razor that can be found in poundshops all across the country for yep £1

Maybe the posts could be all moderated , a quick check on Ali Express usually brings up the items as the flash deal sellers are just drop shippers off Ali Express by looks of it as all coming from China.

If the "Flash Deals" part of the site could become like Vipon then it would be fantastic as they are mostly genuine deals with unique discount codes

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
2 years ago

Hey Deanos - didn't doubt the intention of your feedback at all 🙂

Some of the great deals on VIPON are exactly what we're trying to replicate with Flash Deals. The system has been built to allow sellers to enter unique codes for our members. It is still a work in progress though whilst we find our feet and work out how best to entice those same sellers into using Flash Deals.

Do you feel the distinction between Flash Deals and the rest of the site is sufficiently clear? The hope was it could be a separate "silo" of Latest Deals where we can experiment until we get it right.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

Kelsey trouble is that the codes are not needed as they are on a 80% off promotion on Amazon anyway with a made up RRP, if these were genuine codes then it would be better.

Yes i think its clear about the flash deals part thats its different to the rest of the site

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AgnesFaludi
AgnesFaludi2 years ago

I think there are some good deals in the Flash deal area.

Always the person can decide if they like the offer or not. It is not forced to buy it. Someone will think from an item it is a deal and other person will think it is far from a good deal, that is how we work. Just do not take it personally. People like to give more negative comments than positive ones.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

There are some genuine deals i agree and no you are not forced to buy it , but unfortunately people fall for these fake RRP's you only have to look at the facebook page to see that, one person posts and then others follow in a frenzy to buy without thinking, to me thats a bit unfair.

If you think im being negative so be it, i just hate people paying more money than they need to

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AgnesFaludi
AgnesFaludi2 years ago

Deanos Sometimes we do pay more, lets give u an example. There is a deal in the shop, but u do not have the store around, so u pay bit more to get it delivered. So you did not get the full deal, but it was a deal for u, because u paid less than the travel cost to the store....

I usually do not check RRP, just think about if the product worth the price.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

AgnesFaludi not a good example, these deals are are available cheaper elsewhere delivered on Ali Express , the razor i mentioned above there are also loads of Ali Express for around £1 delivered.

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GlitchHunter
GlitchHunter2 years ago

Hey Deanos you cannot help everyone. People have to learn from their own mistakes. I have even seen people just post "yes please" under fb posts thinking they will magically get the freebie sent to them. I try to help by telling them they are doing it wrong but apparently I'm being negative so now I just leave them to it.

You can help by linking to other cheaper deals. But most people are not going to search all over for something as these are kostly impulse buys.

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LittleLisaMarie
LittleLisaMarie2 years ago

The worst I have seen on here by far is the ag vintage "deals"

Basically, they advertise cheap chinese, fake silver tat.. put a fake rrp, then claim to give it away for "free" with an amazing £4.99 postage!!

When in reality, they are paying 99p or less from china, and having it shipped directly to the "customers" name & address.. easy £4 profit in their pocket from one gullible idiot that falls for it! And trust me, there's been a few on here lol.

The customer has to wait months for this "free" item coming from a UK based company.

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Tom
Tom
Founder
2 years ago

Something we have considered is automatically including a price history graph on every Flash Deal to help with this. For example, on this Flash Deal - https://www.latestdeals.co.uk/flash/homgeek-electric-juicer-reduced-clear-amazon

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This might help give more information to make a better purchase decision. Do you think this may be useful?

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

that looks like a genuine deal Tom, and the graph is a great idea, i think its the 80% off deals that are spoiling it which wouldn't really help in those instances as the rrp will be artificially high

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Kpullam
Kpullam2 years ago

I think you have to do your homework when deals like this come up. Also i find only buying what you need and have researched prior to deals coming up, help buyers make an informed decision. Unfortunately people do get stung with thinking they are getting a good deal when they see a inflated rrp. It is good that lastestdeals post at the bottom that the item is posted by the seller.

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Username55157
Username551572 years ago

I personally don't like the Flash deals section at all, the majority aren't deals at all and information is falsified in the hope people won't check, for instance there is a 'deal' on at the moment for something that generally retails for around £7, they inflated the RRP to £12, gave a code saying it took the price down to £1.89, where in fact it took it to £3.69 and despite several questioning the seller there was no response, although they did change the price. It also tends to get flooded by particular sellers, who will post about 20 'deals' at the same time. To me a 'flash deal' should be like the lightning deals, not items that are the same price on Amazon and just being advertised

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Tom
Tom
Founder
2 years ago

Thank you for your message. In regards to the Amazon Seller who incorrectly posted it as £1.89 we have sent them a private email explaining that if deals continue to be incorrect we may have to stop their ability to post on the site. What you and others did by commenting is brilliant and useful for everyone on the site. It's great to hold companies accountable. We hope with this feedback we can continue to make it a good section and steadily improve over time.

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JayneEvans91130
JayneEvans911302 years ago

I like the flash section and check it a few times a day , yes there are some deals on there which you roll your eyes at 😂😂 but I ignore the rpp prices and use mine own judgment on what I think is a good price or not 🙂

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

Well you know its bad when the Founders are now posting fake deals , https://www.latestdeals.co.uk/deals/wireless-bluetooth-headphones-399-amazon

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kikogpe
kikogpe
Mentor
2 years ago

Sorry Deanos, but what makes this deal fake?

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

kikogpe because the same item can be bought for half the price of the deal , see my link to Ali Express on that post

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kikogpe
kikogpe
Mentor
2 years ago

Deanos Yes, I clicked the link, but I could not see that it is the same product, since the manufacturer is different in the two offers.

But if you base the comparison between all different manufacturers of the same product, at the price of the one you found, there will be no more deals.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

kikogpe it’s the same headphones, are identical

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jmsonl
jmsonl2 years ago

I can totally understand the idea of flash deals and how this addition is a good revenue stream for LD. I do believe though it is a good idea for LD users to post cheaper deals for the exact same product in the comments if they find it. Then someone who wishes to purchase the item will have a choice. I would personally post these in a clear and polite fashion. If the flash deal companies recognise this often enough they may then reduce their prices further in order to compete with any obvious price difference. As I may have said before in a different post a "found cheaper elsewhere" button would really help if such a button created a new deal post that the original pointed towards.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

I doubt they will reduce the prices further, all they do is post on Amazon with a false RRPand a fake discount , get the orders then drop ship from Ali Express

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jmsonl
jmsonl2 years ago

Deanos Sure many drop shipping as you say. Yet if we keep posting the alternatives as comments then we are only helping each other to find the best deals. And this may end up driving them away from LD. As I said this may be a good income for LD but this is a user driven site and the best I have ever used. We should always work hard to maintain it up to our standards.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
2 years ago

jmsonl there is a much much bigger site in the uk with 1.8 million members (and also millions more on sister sites around the world) something i’m sure the founders want to emulate , they dont allow these sort or deals on there, they soon get closed of voted cold instead of hot

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dss
dss2 years ago

Well done Deanos for raising this!!!

I hope people realise that that Deanos’ criticism is constructive and clearly aimed at helping the site improve.

I agree with Deanos‘ concerns - I do appreciate that the site needs to make revenue but there’s a real risk of losing credibility and visitors when the “deals” in the Flash section are so incredibly nonsensical at times.

And there‘s a clear conflict of interest due to the conflict between the site gaining extra revenue from the advertise and commission versus effectively ripping the end customer off.

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Tom
Tom
Founder
2 years ago

Thank you dss and nnnnnnnn for you feedback, we will certainly take this on board.

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
2 years ago

Thanks everyone for the continued feedback and input 🙂

With respect to the "main" part of the site, we pride ourselves on being open and unrestrictive and allowing as many deals/retailers to be shared as possible. We'll typically only remove something if it is appears illegitimate, unsafe or suspicious. However, this openness can have downsides - we let everything (the good and the bad deals) be shared on LD and leave it up to you guys to like the stuff that's good and leave the subpar deals to fall to the bottom of the pile.

The points system is intended to reward all the members of LD for their contributions. However, we understand that some people may get a little carried away and share low quality posts to up their point balance. One idea that we've been mulling over for a while is to make points for sharing deals dependent on receiving a certain number of likes. The idea being that we reward high quality, good deals. However, there are potential pitfalls to that too - with perhaps some hidden gems going unrewarded. We're continuing to brainstorm over what the best approach might be and welcome any suggestions 👍

Flash Deals is a different kettle of fish - unlike the rest of the site, we actively restrict what can be shared and stipulate certain rules (e.g. a minimum discount of 50%) to try and ensure high quality posts that are useful to the members of LD. That said, the presence of a post in Flash Deals doesn't necessarily mean its awesome - we don't individually check each deal to verify if it's actually good value and perhaps this is something we need to be clearer about? We do however inform the sellers that LD is a deals community and, if they don't share decent discounts, no-one will buy their products. Whilst the idea of a "cheaper elsewhere" button is good and can definitely join our to-do list this is hopefully something members can do already. If someone spots a product cheaper elsewhere, share it as a new deal yourself (and earn some points!) and then comment on the flash deal with the link (do try and let the original poster know nicely though! Just because John sells something for more than Bob doesn't make him a terrible guy) This way, over time, we'll hopefully create a network of sellers that understand the LD community and share the right sort of products.

I'd be very grateful to hear all and any ideas on how we can mould Flash Deals more into what you guys want - whilst, yes, it is a source of revenue for LD our primary motivation was actually to create something like VIPON. We'd seen how useful it was connecting sellers with deal hunters to get great bargains and so wanted to replicate it on LD. I'm confident we'll get there but appreciate you all bearing with us whilst we go through these growing pains 🙂

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dss
dss1 year ago

I've looked at a couple of the flash “deals” that have appeared this morning ... a quick check on amazon and AliExpress and it’s blatantly obvious that it’s a total and utter scam with massively inflated prices and the “discounts” taking the price to above the normal RRP.

I guess if you’re drop shipping then the extra markup makes it worthwhile to justify the advertising cost if enough volume.

There do seem to be some legit deals (below genuinely normal RRP or below normal price with Prime delivery available) though which is a shame for those that are paying you for the advertising but yet getting grouped in with the iffy ones.

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dss
dss1 year ago

I’ve looked again today and its difficult to find many genuine deals in that flash section. It’s getting worse daily.

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
1 year ago

It seems this is continuing, and the owners are even posting these fake deals on Facebook, seems commission and site traffic is more important than looking after your users, whats the saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind , careful you are slowly but surely losing your good reputation

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
1 year ago

Morning 🙂 Could you perhaps drop me an email with which posts you feel weren’t good deals and why? We typically share posts that are well liked on the website or time sensitive glitch/deal stacks if we think they’re going to run out fast. In the case of the latter we often share based on instinct as if we wait to check prices the deal can often be gone. However it may be we can improve the process of how we choose what to share on social media so would very much appreciate your feedback! My email is tomkelsey@latestdeals.co.uk Thanks 👍

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
1 year ago

Kelsey just have a look on the flash deals section, plenty of examples i have posted where they are cheaper elsewhere, a few other members are also commenting on these false offers , thanks

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dss
dss1 year ago

Kelsey the vast majority of “flash deals” aren’t deals at all I’m afraid. About half are straight from China and cheaper in AliExpress. And the RRPs almost always inflated. I used to check the site often but haven’t been as much as those ”deals” seldom are. Whilst I get Dino23’s point - there must surely be some basic standard for the “deals“ being in some way am actual deal. The site is also set up to perpetuate poor deals with an incentive to “like” a deal regardless of its true status and people to make useless comments about how great a deal it is in order to get points that way.

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
1 year ago

dss Morning 🙂 Would be good to get your feedback/input on these suggested ideas if you have a spare mo https://www.latestdeals.co.uk/chat/need-help-ld-next thanks!

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SarahHorsfield
SarahHorsfield1 year ago

It’s only a deal if you really need it 😂😂

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Dino23
Dino231 year ago

I can see both sides of the argument on this one. I remember a documentary a while back on TK Maxx selling clothes dressed up to look like reduced designer gear when they were in fact own brand. I think the bottom line is regardless of markdown, if you think it’s a good price for that particular item, you are happy to pay it and you don’t spend the time researching then a, it’s a bargain to you and b, on your head be it 😀

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Deanos
Deanos
Original Poster
1 year ago

So these are now appearing in the newsletter "up to 90% off" , we definitely now know where the owners stand, commission over genuine deals , think of the bigger picture not the short term gain.

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Kelsey
Kelsey
Founder
1 year ago

Morning 🙂 We did give a shout out to the flash deals section yesterday in the newsletter. Whilst I'll personally acknowledge the quality of the flash deals section is mixed (something we're actively working to improve - like the main site I think we want to allow everything to be shared and for you guys to be the judge of what is good or bad) there are some genuine discounts to be found.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - we would like the flash deals section to be popular to attract Amazon sellers who want to share their limited, big discounts on LD. So we have to give it some limelight to pull in the sellers that are currently using rival sites to offer their free/discounted products. That's our primary aim with the flash section at the moment - to attract sellers offering obscenely large discounts 👍

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Username55157
Username551571 year ago

Unfortunately the obscenely large discounts are obscenely falsified for the majority of the time, to entice people they inflate the RRP, offer an amazing discount but the offer price is still higher than the actual RRP. Out of 100 posts I would guess at only 20% being a genuine deal and offer. The sellers are banking on people not actually checking if it can be bought cheaper elsewhere and it is giving them the green light to, what is in effect, scam people, yes it is down to the individual to make up their own minds but negative feedback gets spread a lot faster than positive.

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