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Here We Go Again, Now They Want to Tax Beef!

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Is this the only idea they can come up with, just tax everything out of the reach of the lower income folk?

Ok, I get the methane argument and I am sure vegetarians will be pleased, but here's the rub. Every single thing we buy/consume has to go through a manufacturing process that pollutes the earth. I totally agree with the plastic issue, that sugar is bad etc but is taxing the solution?

As I have said before, with 5% of the population owning 95% of the world's wealth it would seem these measures would be a drop in the ocean as the wealthy will not be touched by all these taxes, just the poor.

Considering that the world population doubled from the 50s to the 2000s (those years may be slightly out), has no one put two and two together and realised that is when the world began to die!

I try to be optimistic but I don't believe the wealthy will ever reduce their energy consumption, buy more climate friendly cars and other similar goods, forgo their multiple foreign holidays, give up their yachts, private jets.

We all have to save the planet but while so many care only for themselves (rich and poor) it's death seems inevitable.

Lynibis
a month ago
What do you think of this?
Imnotcheap
Imnotcheapa month ago

Will have to buy lots before tax comes in I always buy a beef joint along with gammon and turkey for Christmas 😭

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SilverSurfer
SilverSurfera month ago

The whole COP conference we have this week is complete b******t. We have about 400+ private jets flying to Glasgow to talk about climate change. The only ones who will have to change to help with climate change is the working class and poor folk. The rich wont contribute and if people think the government is wanting climate change then people need to have a word with themselves.

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Put simply: taxation applied to such things sends out the message "it is perfectly in order to do or consume what we don't want you to do or to consume - if you can afford to".

I've never encountered one alcoholic or smoker helped by an increase in taxes.

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Lynibis
Lynibis
Original Poster
a month ago

Absolutely agree. People will always find a way to buy the things they desire, even if they have to resort to breaking the law, shoplifting is already rife in most supermarkets.

One of my pet hates is the poverty pleaders who spend £10+ per pack of cigarettes, £300 per month, £600 if two people in the household smoke, and that is based on a 20 a day habit.

But far worse, in my opinion, are the parents who plead poverty, can't afford childcare, find child raising stressful and cry out for 'me time' but have more than two kids. If you can't manage/afford them, then don't have them.

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davidstockport
davidstockporta month ago

Lynibis Addicts will usually find some way to feed their addiction. Addictions don't go away they just lie dormant waiting to be fed - don't feed them they won't bother you again.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

Lynibis yeah your right like me I'm a smoker but there is place nearby that I can get tobacco for £6 and I'll go without as long as my kids have got what they need

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Lynibis
Lynibis
Original Poster
a month ago

Leannexxx if only all parents were as responsible. I spent a lot of my childhood sitting in a small room with two chain smoking adults and I used to cry into my pillow when I heard my dad coughing and gasping for breath. Most kids carry a secret burden when their parents smoke.

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

Lynibis oh I know both my parents smoked and my oldest wants me to give up but as I've said I'm not ready yet but when I am I know I'll stop

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PhilipMarc
PhilipMarca month ago

Leannexxx

That seems expensive. Wouldn't vape be cheaper for you?

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Leannexxx
Leannexxxa month ago

PhilipMarc tried them just didn't like them I ended using that alot more than having a smoke

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BonzoBanana
BonzoBananaa month ago

I think farming has a history of being subsidised so we have benefitted from cheaper meat than perhaps a unsubsidised market would generate. Governments really need to focus on the movement of food. Low value heavy products like food should not be transported around the world. They need to tax the movement of goods more so more food is produced locally and manufactured goods are assembled more locally too. If I have a roast from meat produced within 10 miles of where I live the environmental damage is nothing compared to meat transported thousands of miles. I totally accept that meat is more harmful to the environment than a plant based diet but you have to look at the whole logistics of food production and how environmental damage is caused.

It is quite possible the poor will be forced to be vegetarian and meat will become a food of the privileged in the future. I think this common in India and Africa where either no meat or very low amounts of meat are in food for a large percentage of people.

As I've said before the UK needs to have a lower population and become self-sufficient in food and this requires policies now that realistically won't see results for decades. In coming years global warming will have a huge impact of food production and there will be dwindling resources. Many countries are not reducing their population and many countries may decide to stop exporting food. At the moment there is surplus world food production but that is not expected to continue. Past famines are likely insignificant compared to those famines to come.

So by the UK population reducing meat consumption it will help us achieve self-sufficiency in food production but we need to reduce our population and commit more land to crops and benefit more from fishing our own waters.

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Ann1984
Ann1984a month ago

The vegans are rubbing there hands at this if it’s good Quilty meat then I think will still pay at a higher price within reason

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Lynibis
Lynibis
Original Poster
a month ago

Me too, but it just makes me cross that they think this will save the world. I totally agree with BonzoBanana but it seems no one in charge can come up with the answers.

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BonzoBanana
BonzoBananaa month ago

Lynibis Unfortunately either left or right wing governments only seem to think in the short term. We have had asset sell offs, huge borrowing and accepted long term trade deficits and now of course we are in a very bad way to face the future. They need to think where the country needs to be in the next decades but they only seem to consider the weeks or months ahead.

Probably by the year 2100 the reality of global warming will be horrific and unbearable for many. In many countries they are already reaching the wet bulb temperature for some days of the year meaning deadly to humans unless they have some sort of powered cooling. This will keep expanding to be more and more days and more and more regions. Land based mammals are in for a rough time to say the least.

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PhilipMarc
PhilipMarca month ago

All about "SaVe ThE wOrLd!!" bs.

They'll want people to be happy and own nothing, then they'll want people to eat bugs than fish and meat.

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MelissaLee1963
MelissaLee1963a month ago

and communion wine as well.What are we like?

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wonderingsoul
wonderingsoula month ago

everything will be taxed then taxed again it will never end

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