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So in recent days weeks now supermarkets are becoming extremely low on food.

Is this due to brexit or covid

Number of European drivers have gone home due to the cost of claiming uk citizenship. Wages for hgv are terrible some working 15 hr shifts. Wages need to be higher for people to take the jobs advertised daily. A company can pay a agency 200/250 a shift but employees only 125.

Surely can’t be down to covid we weren’t this low in lockdown

Ann1984
6 days ago
What do you think of this?
Mango4
Mango46 days ago

Been in a few supermarkets in the past week or so and not noticed any shortage of anything, apart from yesterday in Morrisons where they were short on bottled water, not surprising with the hot weather, local Sainsburys had plenty thou.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
Original Poster
6 days ago

Mango4 our local Tesco is running low on cans of pop whice could be weather sliced ham and cheese I had so many subs on my delivery I didn’t complain about most because they sent better meat.

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Lynibis
Lynibis6 days ago

I must admit I hadn't noticed or realised until this morning when I went to Waitrose. I wanted some scones for a cream tea tomorrow but the assistant said they hadn't had any for weeks! Also there was no Hovis sliced bread and the potatoes were horrible though plentiful. So many things seem to have such short shelf life, probably for the reason you have outlined.

My main shop is coming from Sainsbury's on Friday so fingers crossed.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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6 days ago

Lynibis my husband said they put wages up and he go back driving but not for pennies they offering now so he fix’s them. Am hoping it’s only a blip and things become normal again.

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Lynibis
Lynibis6 days ago

Ann1984 I have never understood how these agencies thrive. Why don't companies recruit direct rather than paying such huge amounts to agencies to find their staff. Surely someone on the office side is able to advertise and interview candidates. It is a sore point with nursing staff too. Paying permanent members of staff and an agency person wildly differing wages is so unfair when they are doing the same job.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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6 days ago

Lynibis to be honest agency don’t even test drive people on book can be so dangerous a friend of husband had license 48hrs and straight out in a class one hgv double decker for 15 hrs. Government really need to think of this because a lot of food comes from Europe.

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lilyflower
lilyflower6 days ago

Lynibis Ann1984 - Not shortage related but Agency Staff. The Government department I worked for (first as Agency then on HMG short contract) used agency staff so they could finish them at a weeks, sometimes less notice. My first term was 9 months and it finished after 6, got told on a Monday that Thursday would be my last day!

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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6 days ago

lilyflower you would think by now agencies and zero hour contracts would be dismissed people need steady income to support family

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Grannyclock
Grannyclock6 days ago

I thought some of the shortage of drivers is down to less people being trained during lockdowns. I heard a local Morrison’s was out of milk one morning but I haven’t been affected personally.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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6 days ago

Grannyclock it’s more to do with wages and Europeans going back home. Government need to sort the problem out. Most drivers are lucky for 125 a day for 15 hrs take tax ni and pension out they left with nothing

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Pjran
Pjran5 days ago

Ann1984 £125 x 5 day week = £625 x 52 weeks = £32,500 doesn’t seem like nothing.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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5 days ago

Pjran take tax out ni pension

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Lynibis
Lynibis5 days ago

Pjran 15 hours is equivalent to two days work in one for some people who do 35-40 hour weeks. So doing a 5 day week of 15 hour shifts would mean working 75 hours which is not safe for lorry drivers on the road. Also 15 hours at £125 is only £8.33 per hour, less than minimum wage. Even if you allow an hour meal break that is still 14 hours at £8.92 per hour which is a penny more than minimum wage which is £8.91 for over 22 year olds. Either way £625 gross for a 75 hour week is not by any stretch a good wage. If it were 10 hour shifts then yes, £12.50 per hour is more reasonable.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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5 days ago

Lynibis companies work this around the following week giving shorter hours but so dangerous drivers who do 15 hrs can only work 4 on 4 off due to the law in driving hgv. They plan on upping the drivers hours which again going to cause accidents one was not so far from me this week where 3 hgv trucks closed road for hours due to crash

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snoogans888
snoogans8885 days ago

I read yesterday it’s due to pingdemic so they don’t have the staff available to restock shelves. And also lack of hgv drivers.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/21/supermarket-shelves-starting-to-empty-as-pingdemic-hits-shops-14967863/

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BonzoBanana
BonzoBanana5 days ago

So is this all down to Hopeless Hancock and his app? I went into Lidl's a few days ago and maybe 3% of items were missing although Lidl's sells a lot more imported food products than most supermarkets so may have been more greatly effected. Everything was there that I need though although some of it was actually quite expensive or not looking great quality so gave it a miss. A recent visit to the Tesco at Burnham on Sea was very well stocked although Tesco have a such a wide range of items they could probably fill up the gaps in shelves.

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Grannyclock
Grannyclock5 days ago

It’s a bit ironic though, isn’t it? At the start the app was criticised for not reaching enough people, now people moan because its pinging too many!

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Golfforall
Golfforall5 days ago

Mate of mine works as an HGV driver for Tesco and they have been offered a wage rise and bonus . Trouble is the industry's reliance on foreign Agency drivers (many of whom have returned to Eastern Europe due to the pandemic and the fact they can now earn decent wages in their home country ) .

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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5 days ago

Golfforall exactly they worked over here and were happy with wages but if can afford to go home can’t blame them

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gerrykelly25
gerrykelly254 days ago

Ann1984 Brexit meant the end of free labour movement and all EU workers now have to apply for a work visa in order to work in the U.K. This was to limit ‘non nationals’ from the work force. Most who would still like to work in the U.K. can’t get a visa now.

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TheChimp
TheChimp5 days ago

Get your toilet roll and bottled water in quick, guys, because here we go again.

700,000 odd pinged in the last week is going to cause a problem.

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MalcolmAlderton
MalcolmAlderton3 days ago

Never understood the toilet roll panic thing . I've not seen any shortage of any foods in Asda, Tesco or Aldi except for the obvious ice cream and water due to the hot weather

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lilminxymoo
lilminxymoo5 days ago

There's definitely a shortage if doing online food shops which I've had to do for the last year and a half, the last few months there's been less and less food availability for delivery.

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BORDERJOE
BORDERJOE4 days ago

Ann1984 I hadn't realised it was so bad ....No problems at all for me .... Last night I had my normal weekly Tesco and again no substitutions and everything with good dates too. In fairness, it was largely standard cupboard items, frozen fish and veg and fresh veg and fruit ....no meat.

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eyeballkerry
eyeballkerry4 days ago

One problem is lack of HGV drivers. Unfortunately due to lockdown many new drivers were unable to take tests. Also many retired including my husband.

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Aztec
Aztec4 days ago

Fortunately not seen any problems in my area yet, hopefully that will continue, but with the Media highlighting this all the time it will only add to the problem as people will buy more than they need and stockpile .

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beccatavender
beccatavender4 days ago

I think whilst there may be issues with delivery, I think the press is scare mongering, as I whilst my husband does the shopping he hasn't mentioned any shortages. We just may be lucky in our area 🙂

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didbygraham
didbygraham4 days ago

The press may be highlighting the issues but there are shortages out there. I do all my shopping online at Tesco and the number of items that are out of stock is definitely going up. This week it was chicken breasts - with no substitutions available! Its not as bad as the previous panic buying at the start of the pandemic though, yet.

The whole issue is down to several factors - Brexit - many HGV drivers can no longer freely work over here as we bizarrely decided we didn't want them coming over here and taking our jobs ( that we didnt actually want to do) - this is hitting the food producers and farmers who cant get enough people to pick their produce. The pandemic means that many people cant travel back even if they had visas and wanted too.

The Pingdemic is the latest total messup by the Govt - the app is working well and doing its job - but if you then remove all restrictions when infections are rising rapidly then more and more people are going to be pinged to self isolate. Obvious to everyone except Boris who quite frankly couldn't care less anyway.

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Ann1984
Ann1984
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4 days ago

didbygraham spot on my Tesco the same loads items unavailable I panic now when doing a shop

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Sarahvwomble
Sarahvwomble3 days ago

Only been to a real shop once last month,coop and about a quarter of items I wanted were not there...had an Ocado delivery two weeks ago , everything in stock but one item,but didn't give me a quarter of them!

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Imnotcheap
Imnotcheap3 days ago

I haven't noticed shortages, only that veg is smaller, that could be weather related

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diver85
diver853 days ago

I work in supermarket depots and there's a shortage of lorry drivers and a shortage of pickers in the depots. This is partly to do with wages paid, immigrants returning home and the sunny weather (people going off sick to get some sun)

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tarmacterror
tarmacterror3 days ago

The supermarkets are not as bad as the panic mongering media are reporting, every heatwave, holiday, event etc produces a high demand and shelves cleared of certain products..heat = cold drinks, ice creams, BBQ foods, salads etc. Some delays are happening as result of Covid - staff shortages, global import supply impact and Brexit Border issues, but nothing to warrant panic buying. (I, for one always have enough food and essentials stocked for a few weeks).

There was a warning of a future shortage of HGV drivers given by the industry to the UK Government over a decade ago...many things have caused this current sh*t storm.

  1. Ageing population of qualified drivers means that more are retiring than are qualifying, the prohibitive cost of HGV training, the lack of training initiatives/funding and the loss of "grandfather rights" for 7.5 tonne vehicles without completing a CPC course means agencies and firms are struggling to find qualified drivers.
  2. HGV used to be a well paid profession, although wages are rising again, they are not akin to the lucrative income it used to pay. Hence all the responsibility, nasty hours, ever changing regulations is not worth the wage!
  3. Since new regs (IR35) have been introduced to agencies to make sure foreign/EU workers are registered and paying income tax and NI, most of them have left the UK...Hmmm, blame Brexit or thank Brexit...do we really want people using our countries infrastructure - schools, Drs, hospitals, social care etc without having paid into the system? The cost of staying is affordable if you really want to stay - under £1,500 with a health surcharge of under £700, far less than other countries charge, many that don't have family here and are not "settled" don't want to pay their way, and also a lot of the wages paid to foreign workers is sent back to their home countries, this takes even more revenue out of our system....Poland, Brazil, Ukraine (to name a few) have prospered well from this income being spent there instead of here. Big shopping centres popping up in Countries that were basically very poor before this opportunity was afforded them. If wages earnt here are not taxed or spent here it breaks the circular economy and it HAS stunted UK growth.
  4. Add a Global pandemic and border control problems post Brexit and the already fragile distribution system will have problems. The "pingdemic" needs to be better managed with immediate and frequent testing, not isolation of potentially uninfected personell.

We need to start thinking smarter and offering training and fairer wages to people to fill these jobs, no one in this Country should be out of work and on Benefits when there are jobs available in so many sectors like crop picking and distribution. One thing that Covid SHOULD have taught us is that some of the lowest paid workers are the most critical in keeping the Country running.

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KAW18
KAW1820 hours ago

Yes bottled water is getting really difficult to find! Tesco has been bad for over two months now just got gradually worse. Can’t get large bottles of water just 500ml or less if your lucky. But these are even different to get. Tonic water you can’t get multi packs of this and I guess in time won’t be able to get any Just like water. Pot Noodles is something that isn’t always available from Tesco normally there are. It’s just going back to when we went in to the first lock down.

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Sugarbabe
Sugarbabe8 hours ago

I've only noticed staff shortages in Sainsbury's and my local Co op. They are struggling to fill the shelves and they look tired after working long hours. Image

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