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A friend of mine is getting married to a soon to be deported Slavic lady.He is more than happy to lend name and status and there is no money involved.He does not expect a wife or domestic servant but is just sympathetic to her case.I knew another lad who worked for Amnesty who did the same and is still very much friends with the girl. What do people think about Immigration marriages overall? This could get contentious but it is not purposed to that end .Just healthy proactive debate please.
I’m just wondering how long they have to stay married before divorcing. I assume they some sort of prenuptial agreement before marrying.
Pjran I’m assuming they aren’t in love and just doing it for citizenship. So assuming they are trying to get around the law.
There is a lot going on at the moment specially all this eu stuff. I am fully not in the loop.
However this has been going on for years sometimes for money. We all know it’s wrong.
It’s easy to disagree with it especially if you have no connection to the person.
Would I think differently if I knew them? Most defiantly.
I don’t know how to think about this, But imagine if everyone did this. It would get out of control. There are rules and regulations for a reason.
rossruby1977 Yes I wouldn't signpost it as a free for all. There are indeed rules and regs for a reason but sometimes I think we just have let our guard down a little.Mitigating circumstance/s as it were. Not leastly when we bomb the ground from beneath other nations and gaily create refugees by the lorry load.
MelissaLee1963 it’s a hard one. At what point do you stop if you let the guard down.
But you are mentioning war. And refugees. That’s slightly changing the subject again.
Isn’t the person that’s mentioned in the eu?
We aren’t bombing them. I’m assuming this is to do with our separation with the eu. That’s why they want to get married to allow that person to stay.
I still 50/50 on that.
As of refugees and wars it’s a different situation than what was originally said.
More should be done about that situation to. It’s a long topic. So I am just sticking with the fist one.
My answer is that it’s wrong, and shouldn’t happen. But I could turn a blind eye. But how many could you do that for…
Its a sensitive subject.
rossruby1977 Sensitive subject indeed.I am not purposed to start another war though.I fancy whatever I say or do he will go ahead anyway he is much a man of his own mind so I will just have to agree to disagree as it were.I was just keen to see what the crowd verdict was/is.
rossruby1977 Yes I get that.I was just curious how much bend and sway if indeed any.I'm a psychologist at heart lol.
MelissaLee1963 I wouldn’t ask on here lol. People wanted blood for that lady who knocked over the riders on Tour de France.
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rossruby1977 Yes stiff upper lip an all we can be quite angry when we want to be lol
I think as long as both parties agree to it then there’s no harm, it’s an easy way to help someone
I'm with you on this.Consenting hardworking adults both and just helping each other out.
This is by far robbing us tax payers once they divorced of course she get benefits house etc. Would there country except us if we were to do over there. You know before someone gets married there name goes up on a board for few weeks for public to report issues like this I would
She is working and has a home.In fact is quite successful I believe.There are no benefits at play here just staying put and not being sent back to nowhere and no-one.Her parents are both legal refugees.I choose to reserve judgement.She is a giver not a taker.
MelissaLee1963 there will be some sort of benefit you see it all time. It’s a sham and illegal
It appears that such a marriage would be regarded as a "sham marriage". And anyone contemplating such should acquaint themselves with the law: This " Published for Home Office staff on 15January 2021 The important factor in a sham marriage/civil partnership or a marriage/civil partnership/durable partnership of convenience is that there is no genuine relationship between the parties". From: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/953001/criminal-investigations-sham-marriage-v3.0-gov-uk.pdf
The fact that no money changes hands is immaterial.
Yes he knows it is a sham marriage .I shall send him the document but I fear that his sympathy with the underdog will inevitably win the day.I am nor judge nor jury.He is a good man and means well I know.
He is senior and has grown children already so is not planning to marry again .A divorce will only be necessary should she wish to re marry which he is fine with as she is younger. There is no pre nup that I am aware of.They are not in love just very good friends as are all the family.He doesnt want the girl to be torn apart from her family
I wonder, especially if he's a senior, that if he should die his grown children would not have any claim on his estate... that is if he does manage to marry her which is extremely unlikely, if she is supposedly to be deported it is unlikely she will have the correct paperwork to allow her to marry in this country. The Home Office would be notified if they attempted to marry... they take sham marriages to avoid deportation very seriously.
Lynibis was a registrar and can probably confirm what happens. I understand that sham marriages can result in a prison term of up to 14 years, there are often several other laws broken to actually arrange a sham marriage. (perjury is just one of them).
davidstockport Suffice it to say it hasn't happened yet and he has been strongly and hopefully persuasively advised to desist. That said he is legally wise and I sure shrewd enough to ensure his legacy is safe. I too am hoping he will have second thoughts about this but he is much a man of his own mind and as a pensioner with a disability is probably not unduly deterred by the the thought of incarceration either .It's a strange one this let's hope he has second thoughts.
MelissaLee1963 I doubt his prospective sham bride will be able to provide paperwork to marry in this country and if by any chance they are able to marry, shrewd as he is could not over ride the inheritance laws of this country, she as his wife, could not be excluded from being first in line and unless his estate was very large his children could do little about it... other than rely on step mummy's generosity.
Somebody mentioned a pre-nuptial agreement, they're for Americans, in English law no agreement can deny someone their legal rights. (people can't rewrite laws to suit themselves).
davidstockport Lets hope good sense prevails. Indeed tis said the road to hell is often paved with good intentions.Its a shame cos he's a good man and a kind man..see where this leads...
Marriage of convenience 
. What could possibly be wrong with it ? In certain cultures it is obligatory I believe 
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Maybe I am blinded but I see a kind man trying to improve the life of another.All parties are happy.The Father cried and the mother hugged him off the ground.This family will be commited friends for ever.This is not an off the ground fly by night affair.I don't as a rule advocate this sort of thing but I can see that there are here and there cases that supercede the imposed morals of a much imbalanced society with a such shocking socio economic distribution and oft times social deprivation.
Latest and best is that the family have decided to return home and the marriage is off. My friend is none the worse for it .
Like it or not it is illegal and Registrars are obliged to report any marriages they suspect as being sham. There is a big difference between arranged, forced and sham marriages, the last two can be legally stopped if the Registrar suspects, but arranged marriages are acceptable unless one is being forced into it.
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